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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://beckscafe.com/2009/06/04/women-act-like-men-and-get-punishedin/#comment-153</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kay:  Thanks so much for joining our conversation at Beck&#039;s Cafe!  Acting like ourselves seems to be at the crux of the matter for so many of us, wherever we are coming from whether it be gender wise or some other perspective, such as you note in your comment.  Sonia&#039;s comments really add alot to this whole discussion as well and if my readers haven&#039;t checked out what she&#039;s written it&#039;s well worth your time.

By the by, my reader&#039;s can see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Girl-Gone-K-C-Lauer/dp/1456823388/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1296104982&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kay&#039;s book on Amazon&lt;/a&gt; as well as her website.

Kay, thanks again for stopping by!  It&#039;s quite an honor to have you visit with us and your certainly welcome anytime,

Becki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kay:  Thanks so much for joining our conversation at Beck&#8217;s Cafe!  Acting like ourselves seems to be at the crux of the matter for so many of us, wherever we are coming from whether it be gender wise or some other perspective, such as you note in your comment.  Sonia&#8217;s comments really add alot to this whole discussion as well and if my readers haven&#8217;t checked out what she&#8217;s written it&#8217;s well worth your time.</p>
<p>By the by, my reader&#8217;s can see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Girl-Gone-K-C-Lauer/dp/1456823388/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1296104982&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Kay&#8217;s book on Amazon</a> as well as her website.</p>
<p>Kay, thanks again for stopping by!  It&#8217;s quite an honor to have you visit with us and your certainly welcome anytime,</p>
<p>Becki</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Balbi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found his article helpful.  I can so relate. I have acted like myself, which is more like a man than a woman, and I got into trouble at work and in relationships because of it.

I still struggle sometimes realizing that we can be a mixed breed.  I wrote about my experiences in my book called Bad Girl Gone Mom for two reasons. I want to hep change the US society so that there is recognition and I want to help those who are suicidal know that it gets better as long as you can continue to face your fears.  http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Girl-Gone-K-C-Lauer/dp/1456823388/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1294943241&amp;sr=1-1-catcorr]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found his article helpful.  I can so relate. I have acted like myself, which is more like a man than a woman, and I got into trouble at work and in relationships because of it.</p>
<p>I still struggle sometimes realizing that we can be a mixed breed.  I wrote about my experiences in my book called Bad Girl Gone Mom for two reasons. I want to hep change the US society so that there is recognition and I want to help those who are suicidal know that it gets better as long as you can continue to face your fears.  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Girl-Gone-K-C-Lauer/dp/1456823388/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1294943241&#038;sr=1-1-catcorr" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Girl-Gone-K-C-Lauer/dp/1456823388/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1294943241&#038;sr=1-1-catcorr</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sonia,

No offense at all.  Your comments are welcome here as is the open discussion on this important topic.

Thank you!

Becki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sonia,</p>
<p>No offense at all.  Your comments are welcome here as is the open discussion on this important topic.</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>Becki</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sonia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Becki,

Here&#039;s a bloggy sort of response--not directed at you personally, so don&#039;t take offense--but written for all of your readers.

The finding isn&#039;t the least bit shocking or surprising in the context of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_binary&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gender binary.&lt;/a&gt;  A fundamental part of this concept is that &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; can be placed into one of two categories--the concept denies gender variance.  The result is that the concept of gender we &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; learn growing up has no place for the &lt;em&gt;reality&lt;/em&gt; of gender variance.  This leaves us unable to even comprehend gender variance.  &quot;Us&quot; here doesn&#039;t just mean gender variant people, it means everyone who hasn&#039;t thought long and hard to develop a mental model that allows for gender variance.  By my observation, binary thinking is so pervasive that even most gender variant people have trouble thinking beyond it.

Viviane Namaste, in her book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?mode=synopsis&amp;bookkey=38942&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Invisible Lives&lt;/a&gt; explains how this thinking drives society to actively eliminate gender variant people from existence  She calls this &quot;erasure&quot; and certainly encompasses harassment as described in this study.

Binary thinking explains so much.  It explains the difficulty of friends and family to accept us (us gender variants.)  It explains rigid models of gender variance, such as have been thrust on us by the psychiatric community over the years.  Moreover, it explains &lt;em&gt;our&lt;/em&gt; difficulty in understanding findings about gender variance, such as this article.  We are have been indoctrinated by binary thinking just like everyone else.

Another example of a gender variant &quot;finding&quot; is when we find ourselves to be gender variant.  With only gender binary education, we are unequipped to understand, accept, or even recognize ourselves.  This leads to all sorts of self-esteem issues.  At last Saturday&#039;s Tiffany Club house party, for example, a friend was telling me how her outlook had dramatically improved in the month since I had last seen her; improved with the realization that much of her life had been controlled by &lt;em&gt;shame.&lt;em&gt;  Shame of what?  Of not fitting into the binary.  In order to get over this, she had to develop mental concepts that allowed for the resistance of a person outside the binary.  (Then of course, she had to take ownership and move in.)  This realization comes to her at age 58.  I think she&#039;s lucky.  I think most transgenders never see this light.

I used the term &quot;gender binary,&quot; by the way, because it includes that word &quot;binary&quot; which is central to the problem.  A very similar term which refers to this problem of rigid gender binary thought is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;heteronormativity.&lt;/a&gt;  Evidence of my claim that thinking outside the binary is incredibly difficult and rare is that the Wikipedia entries for these terms don&#039;t reference each other.  The entry for gender binary acknowledges that it encompasses sexual orientation, and the entry for heteronormativity acknowledges that it encompasses gender identity, and yet the authors of both articles missed the opportunity to reference the the other term.  Neither references the converse term &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_variance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gender variance.&lt;/a&gt;  The best starting point in Wikipedia for these concepts currently seems to be the entry on &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gender roles.&quot;  I recommend reading all four Wikipedia articles I&#039;ve referenced here.  (And then of course, reading what they reference...)

Sonia Keys,
Student of gender enlightenment]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Becki,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a bloggy sort of response&#8211;not directed at you personally, so don&#8217;t take offense&#8211;but written for all of your readers.</p>
<p>The finding isn&#8217;t the least bit shocking or surprising in the context of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_binary" rel="nofollow">gender binary.</a>  A fundamental part of this concept is that <em>everyone</em> can be placed into one of two categories&#8211;the concept denies gender variance.  The result is that the concept of gender we <em>all</em> learn growing up has no place for the <em>reality</em> of gender variance.  This leaves us unable to even comprehend gender variance.  &#8220;Us&#8221; here doesn&#8217;t just mean gender variant people, it means everyone who hasn&#8217;t thought long and hard to develop a mental model that allows for gender variance.  By my observation, binary thinking is so pervasive that even most gender variant people have trouble thinking beyond it.</p>
<p>Viviane Namaste, in her book <a href="http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?mode=synopsis&amp;bookkey=38942" rel="nofollow">Invisible Lives</a> explains how this thinking drives society to actively eliminate gender variant people from existence  She calls this &#8220;erasure&#8221; and certainly encompasses harassment as described in this study.</p>
<p>Binary thinking explains so much.  It explains the difficulty of friends and family to accept us (us gender variants.)  It explains rigid models of gender variance, such as have been thrust on us by the psychiatric community over the years.  Moreover, it explains <em>our</em> difficulty in understanding findings about gender variance, such as this article.  We are have been indoctrinated by binary thinking just like everyone else.</p>
<p>Another example of a gender variant &#8220;finding&#8221; is when we find ourselves to be gender variant.  With only gender binary education, we are unequipped to understand, accept, or even recognize ourselves.  This leads to all sorts of self-esteem issues.  At last Saturday&#8217;s Tiffany Club house party, for example, a friend was telling me how her outlook had dramatically improved in the month since I had last seen her; improved with the realization that much of her life had been controlled by <em>shame.</em><em>  Shame of what?  Of not fitting into the binary.  In order to get over this, she had to develop mental concepts that allowed for the resistance of a person outside the binary.  (Then of course, she had to take ownership and move in.)  This realization comes to her at age 58.  I think she&#8217;s lucky.  I think most transgenders never see this light.</p>
<p>I used the term &#8220;gender binary,&#8221; by the way, because it includes that word &#8220;binary&#8221; which is central to the problem.  A very similar term which refers to this problem of rigid gender binary thought is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity" rel="nofollow">heteronormativity.</a>  Evidence of my claim that thinking outside the binary is incredibly difficult and rare is that the Wikipedia entries for these terms don&#8217;t reference each other.  The entry for gender binary acknowledges that it encompasses sexual orientation, and the entry for heteronormativity acknowledges that it encompasses gender identity, and yet the authors of both articles missed the opportunity to reference the the other term.  Neither references the converse term <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_variance" rel="nofollow">gender variance.</a>  The best starting point in Wikipedia for these concepts currently seems to be the entry on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role" rel="nofollow">gender roles.&#8221;  I recommend reading all four Wikipedia articles I&#8217;ve referenced here.  (And then of course, reading what they reference&#8230;)</p>
<p>Sonia Keys,<br />
Student of gender enlightenment</a></em></p>
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